Items 4 to 8 are by myself (Peter M) and are at http://mailstar.net/MH17.html. (1) MH17 Investigators Charge Four Over 2014 Downing of Airliner (2) Dutch investigators silent about responsibility of Ukrainian government (3) Who Shot Down MH-17? - Paul Craig Roberts (4) Why were downings of Iran Air 655 (by USA) and Siberia Airlines 1812 (by Ukraine) not 'War Crimes'? (5) Air Traffic Controller named Carlos tweets: Ukraine shot down MH17 (6) BBC: two women, eyewitnesses, said Ukrainian warplanes were flying alongside MH17, and shot it down (7) MH17 cockpit shows traces of Shelling FROM BOTH SIDES It was not hit by a Jet Fighter, not a Missile (8) Witness says Ukrainian warplane took off with air-to-air missiles, returned without them  (1) MH17 Investigators Charge Four Over 2014 Downing of Airliner By Joost Akkermans and Wout Vergauwen June 19, 2019, 9:25 PM GMT+10 Updated on June 20, 2019, 1:12 AM GMT+10 The international team investigating the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over eastern Ukraine leveled murder charges against three Russians and a Ukrainian that it said were responsible for shooting down the aircraft. Almost five years after 298 people died when a Russian-made surface-to-air missile detonated just feet from the Boeing 777 at cruising altitude, the Joint Investigation Team said that it will prosecute Russian nationals Igor Girkin, Sergey Dubinskiy, and Oleg Pulatov as well as Ukrainian Leonid Kharchenko.  (2) Dutch investigators silent about responsibility of Ukrainian government https://www.rt.com/news/462263-mh17-downing-politicized-probe/ ‘One-way street’: MH17 probe says nothing of Ukrainian government’s responsibility Published time: 20 Jun, 2019 06:29 The Dutch-led investigation into the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 over a rebel-held Ukrainian region appears to be going "just one way" and ignores Kiev’s responsibility, aviation lawyer Heiko Van Schyndel told RT. On Wednesday, four individuals were charged with murder in the lingering MH17 case. International arrest warrants were issued for three Russians and one Ukrainian, all believed to be embedded with the rebel forces at the time. The investigators accuse them of playing a significant role in the tragedy, by receiving a Buk missile, allegedly from Russia, which they claim was used to shoot down the plane. However, questions have been piling up about the impartiality of the probe and about the way they arrived at these seemingly breakthrough conclusions. While Moscow is squarely blamed for the incident, the investigators have kept mum about the responsibility of the Ukrainian government, which did not close its airspace despite being aware that there were missiles in the area, Van Schyndel, who also represents German MH17 victims in ongoing litigation, said. "About… the possible fault of the Ukrainian government, nothing is said in the investigation. If you blame somebody that 298 people were killed, then you also should ask the question about Ukrainian involvement in this," he told RT. Moreover, Kiev, a full-fledged member of the Joint Investigative Mechanism (JIT), has been up to date with all the developments of the probe and, being part of the team, has more leverage over its outcome than Moscow, which does not have any say in the investigation. "I had the impression that the investigation was just one way," he said. "Ukraine is part of the investigation, Russia not." Asked if he considers the case presented by the JIT to be solid, Van Schyndel pointed out that the findings are still shrouded in secrecy, leaving his clients and many more victims of the crash without a sense of closure. "They said they have investigated something… they presented to the public nothing," he said, calling on the JIT to "at least give them [the families of the deceased passengers] that all is disclosed, and not that something is hidden somewhere." Despite being effectively shut out by the investigators, Moscow has reiterated that it is still open to cooperation, although its insight has been repeatedly ignored. Russia has provided radar data, declassified military data on the Buk missile, and documents proving that the missile which downed the plane had been in Ukraine since the 1980s. Aviation expert Julian Bray told RT that the Kremlin has good reasons not to take the JIT findings at face value. "They can actually be excused for saying: "Well, we were not involved in the investigation, how on Earth could we actually rubber-stamp this?’" he said. Bray noted that, from the outset of the investigation, it has been heavily politicized. Speaking about the radar imagery that supposedly set the record straight, Bray argued that it could have been tampered with, as "basically something off a computer screen." "If you’re so minded, it is possible to change things around," he said. The JIT refused to consider the radar data that Moscow offered, but it doesn’t have that from Ukraine either. In 2015, Wim van der Weegen, spokesman for the Dutch Safety Board (OVV), acknowledged that Kiev did not provide its radar data, claiming that its civil aviation radar was undergoing routine maintenance and the military radar was not working at the time. All 298 people aboard the Malaysian Airlines flight died after it was shot down over Ukraine in 2014.  (3) Who Shot Down MH-17? - Paul Craig Roberts http://www.unz.com/proberts/who-shot-down-mh-17/ Who Shot Down MH-17? Paul Craig Roberts JULY 30, 2015 The available evidence convinces me that the Malaysian airliner shot down over Ukraine was a plot hatched in Washington in order to blame Russia, blame which helps Washington’s pressure on Europe for sanctions against Russia. An alternative explanation is that Washington’s stooge government in Kiev in an assassination attempt against Vladimir Putin mistook the Malaysian airliner for Putin’s airplane. The circumstantial evidence in favor of the former explanation is that the Western media was primed and ready to go with stories blaming Russia the minute the news broke that the airliner had been downed. No evidence was available, but the Western media was uniform in accusations against Russia and "Russian-supported separatists." In making up your own mind, consider these two reports: http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh-17-the-unanswered-questions/5465618  (4) Why were downings of Iran Air 655 (by USA) and Siberia Airlines 1812 (by Ukraine) not 'War Crimes'? The Ukraine military shot down Siberia Airlines flight 1812 in 2001. This was attributed to a "stray missile"; no talk of "war crime" then. The US military shot down Iran Air flight 655 over Iranian waters; the US never acknowledged responsibility, and this was not called a "war crime". The downing of MH17 coincided with the anniversay of the destruction of TWA800. New information indicates that this was an accident caused by a stray missile, but US authorities have covered it up. Evidence that does not fit the official theory has been suppressed, eg from Wikipedia. As an encyclopedia, it's fine on most topics, but unreliable on controversial issues.  (5) Air Traffic Controller named Carlos tweets: Ukraine shot down MH17 A Spanish air traffic contractor, Carlos, working at Kiev Air Traffic Control (ATC), sent out a series of Tweets just after the downing of MH17, saying that the Kiev military shot MH370 down, and had tried to make it look like a Rebel attack. Carlos' Twitter account @spainbuca was deleted by the US Government, but not before screenshots were captured; they are archived here: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca @R_of_R @gbazov @spainbuca copy of tweets here http://t.co/50vUYVWKmy ... https://t.co/mCGXsXWKcMhttp://t.co/HWT4PGV86Z ... - johnny peterson (@JPexsquaddie) July 18, 2014 CHRONOLOGY OF @spainbuca's TWITTER FEED 10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos "Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian" 10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros "warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba "Warning! Kiev have what they wanted" 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev "[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev" 10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado "The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed" 10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente "Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident" 10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT "Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT" 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev, "An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport" 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro "they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment" 10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev "Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev" 11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora "We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now" 11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información "What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information" [...]  (6) BBC Russian service video: two women, eyewitnesses, said Ukrainian warplanes were flying alongside MH17, and shot it down The video, with English subtitles, was deleted from the BBC's website, and from Youtube, but is at https://vimeo.com/111625523 Deleted BBC Report. "Ukrainian Fighter Jet Shot Down MHI7", Donetsk Eyewitnesses The Catastrophe of #MH17: #BBC in the Search of the "#BUK" – The Video Report Deleted by @BBC By Global Research News Global Research, July 27, 2014 The original BBC Video Report was published by BBC Russian Service on July 23, 2014. In a bitter irony, The BBC is censoring its own news productions. Why did BBC delete this report by Olga Ivshina? ... Highlights of Witness statements (see complete transcript below) Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when ... Eyewitness #2: ... And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it. Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one. Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].  (7) MH17 cockpit shows traces of Shelling FROM BOTH SIDES It was not hit by a Jet Fighter, not a Missile The MSM do not show the Cockpit photo; they only show photos of the Fuselage. They do identify Shrapnel holes, but without distinguishing ENTRY from EXIT holes, and they conclude that the Shrapnel was produced by a Missile (surface-to-air eg SA-11 (Buk), or possibly air-to-air). But shrapnel from a missile would pierce the Cockpit in only ONE direction. See the high-resolution photo (2.3 MB) of the cockpit athttp://www.anderweltonline.com/fileadmin/user_upload/PDF/Cockpit-MH017.pdf Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the "Shooting Down" of Malaysian MH17. "Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile" By Peter Haisenko Global Research, July 30, 2014 anderweltonline.com The tragedy of Malaysian MH 017 continues to elude any light of clarity being cast over it. [...] First, I was amazed at how few photos can be found from the wreckage with Google. All are in low resolution, except one: The fragment of the cockpit below the window on the pilots side. ... The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile. The edge of the other, the larger and slightly frayed exit holes showing shreds of metal pointing produced by the same caliber projectiles. Moreover, it is evident that at these exit holes of the outer layer of the double aluminum reinforced structure are shredded or bent – outwardly! Furthermore, minor cuts can be seen, all bent outward, which indicate that shrapnel had forcefully exited through the outer skin from the inside of the cockpit. The open rivets are are also bent outward. ... So what could have happened? Russia recently published radar recordings, that confirm at least one Ukrainian SU 25 in close proximity to MH 017. This corresponds with the statement of the now missing Spanish controller ÔCarlos' that has seen two Ukrainian fighter aircraft in the immediate vicinity of MH 017. If we now consider the armament of a typical SU 25 we learn this: It is equipped with a double-barreled 30-mm gun, type GSh-302 / AO-17A, equipped with: a 250 round magazine of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells (dum-dum), arranged in alternating order. The cockpit of the MH 017 has evidently been fired at from both sides: the entry and exit holes are found on the same fragment of it's cockpit segment!  (8) Witness says Ukrainian warplane took off with air-to-air missiles, returned without them Here are the reports from ABC Australia and dw.de in Germany: MH17: Russian investigators claim proof from witness that Ukrainian pilot involved in downing of flight Thu 25 Dec 2014, 5:44am Russian investigators say they have new proof from a witness that a Ukrainian pilot fired a missile on the day of the Malaysia Airlines crash which killed 298 people, including 38 Australians. The witness, who was not named, worked at an airfield in the Ukrainian city of Dnipropetrovsk where he claimed to have seen a warplane take off on July 17 with air-to-air missiles and return without them. An Investigative Committee statement said the testimony of the man "is important proof that Ukrainian military was implicated in the crash of the Boeing-777". ... The witness was filmed by Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda with his back to the camera and even the back of his head blurred. He said he saw a Sukhoi-25 jet take off armed with air-to-air rockets and return to the base without them. "[The plane's operator] could have launched them into the Boeing out of fear or revenge," the witness said, identifying the pilot of the jet as having the surname Voloshin. "Maybe he mistook it for another plane." Komsomolskaya Pravda claimed the witness showed up at its office and that his identity checked out but did not identify him because his family was still in Ukraine. ... == Russia reveals 'witness' blaming Ukraine pilot for MH17 crash http://www.dw.de/russia-reveals-witness-blaming-ukraine-pilot-for-mh17-crash/a-18150656 Russian investigators claim they have new proof from a witness, which shows that a Ukrainian pilot fired a missile on the day of the Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash. 298 people died in July's disaster. MH17 The "secret witness" worked at an airfield in the Ukrainian city of Dnipropetrovsk, where he claims to have seen a Sukhoi-25 jet warplane take off on July 17 with air-to-air missiles and return without them. "[The pilot] could have launched them into the Boeing out of fear or revenge," the witness said. "Maybe he mistook it for another plane." The Russian Investigative Committee statement said the testimony of the man "is important proof that Ukrainian military was implicated in the crash of the Boeing-777." -- Peter Myers |
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