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Shamir: 911 Mossad fantasy, from Peter Myers

This material is from my webpage on 911, which I have just updated (thanks to Israel Shamir): Shamir 911 Mossad fantasy(2) Update to Wayne Madsen report on Mossad infiltration of 9/11 Arab hijacker cells(3) Stolen Identities: 9/11 hijackers cf Dubai assassination(4) Mossad did 911 - Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at US Army War College(5) Sabrosky: 19 named Arabs on 4 planes "at best incomplete, and at worst a complete fabrication"(6) Seven of the nineteen "hijackers" were alive and well after 911 - they were victims of identity theft(7) Stolen Identities: Saudi Prince says seven alleged Hijackers are ALIVE (Sept 23 '01)(8) Stolen Identities: UK Telegraph interviews four 9/11 Hijackers, ALIVE (Sept 23, '01)(9) Mossad uses stolen identities of living people, for Assassinations (Australia, New Zealand)(10) Mohamed Atta's father says he's still alive, blames Mossad for 9/11(11) Atta's girlfriend: he loved pork chops, was already a licensed pilot, could speak Hebrew, in "some kind of militia"(12) Hijackers' last letter, found in baggage, shows ignorance of Islam - Robert Fisk(13) 911 No Planes Debate - from David West -1(14) 911 No Planes Debate - from David West -2(15) 911 No Planes Debate - reply to David West(1) Shamir: 911 Mossad fantasyRe: 911 Mossad ran Arab hijacker cells - WIKILEAKS/ MadsenFrom: "israel shamir"I am not against fantasy; I am not against insinuation either, as long as we ourselves understand it is b.s. The item called 911 Mossad ran Arab hijacker cells - WIKILEAKS/ Madsen - is a clear case of b.s. Somebody forwarded a pure fantasy of Madsen to Stratfor; this forward ended in Wikileaks collection. In no way it makes the story real or reliable or trustworthy. A forwarded fantasy is still fantasy. It is an attempt to enhance credibility by using the Wikileaks name. Guardian and NYTimes also did it. You, Peter, should read it carefully. Otherwise people will post it as "Peter Myers proves Mossad ran 911 cell" )))(2) Update to Wayne Madsen report on Mossad infiltration of 9/11 Arab hijacker cells > From: Eric Walberg <> > is this reliable news? finally the smoking gun?Wayne Madsen's original report "Mossad ran 9/11 Arab hijacker cells" (January 24, 2011) is at: the same day, January 25, 2011 he issued an UPDATE, stating that he had been informed that Atta too was an Israeli agent:'s also at Atta an agent for the Israelis? Reliable sources believe he wasAdding up the facts = nyet to 9/11 report conclusions.January 25, 2011 —Was Atta an agent for the Israelis? Reliable sources believe he wasFollowing yesterday’s WMR special report on the 9/11 "hijacking" cells being run by the Israeli Mossad intelligence agency, we have been contacted by reliable sources who have evidence that "lead hijacker" Mohamed Atta and his cohort, Ziad Jarreh, may have been Mossad agents or double agents. There is also no actual proof that any of the "hijacking" teams ever made it aboard any of the four flights on 9/11. Autopsies of bodies discovered at the Pentagon yielded no Arab identities and there were no Arab names on any of the flight manifests.In September 2009, WMR reported: "Last year, two Lebanese brothers — Ali Jarreh and Youssef Jarreh — were arrested by Lebanese authorities who linked the pair to an espionage cell responsible for the car bombing assassination of Hezbollah military commander Imad Mughniyeh in Damascus in February 2008. The Jarrah’s were found by the Lebanese Army in possession of ‘communication devices and other sophisticated equipment.’ The Jarrahs arrested by the Lebanese had been recruited by the Mossad in the 1980s when Israel occupied a large section of Lebanon. And for a Paul Harvey-like "rest of the story," they are related to Ziad Jarreh, the man who was said to have been a close associate and fellow hijacking planner of Mohamed Atta and whose American visa was found with photo and visa number largely intact in a field in Pennsylvania on 9/11."WMR has also been informed by a Joint Terrorism Task Force source stationed in New York in 2001 that Atta lived in Fort Lee, New Jersey in August 2001 and was protected by Israeli "art students" who lived close to Atta in Fort Lee. The art students, identified as Mossad agents by the FBI and CIA, lived in Fort Lee from June to September 2001.Atta maintained high-level contacts in Saudi intelligence and Pakistan’s Inter Service Intelligence (ISI), giving the Mossad plausible deniability of any relationship with Atta. FBI teams were denied access to the passenger manifest of the El Al plane that exfiltrated scores of Mossad agents from New York’s JFK airport to Tel Aviv in the afternoon of 9/11. There is reason by some FBI agents to believe that "Mohamed Atta" was among the passengers on the El Al escape flight.(3) Stolen Identities: 9/11 hijackers cf Dubai assassination- Peter Myers, March 21, 2010The recent Dubai assasination in which Mossad used stolen identities warrants re-examination of evidence that the identities of at least some of the alleged 9/11 hijackers had been stolen.In item 11, the UK Telegraph interviews four 9/11 Hijackers, ALIVE.And in item 10, a Saudi Prince says that at least 7 of the alleged hijckers are alive. This original Reuters News Wire report was hard to track down. Please save the Archive webpage to hard disk, and make backup copies.The Telegraph assumes that their identities were stolen by Bin Laden. The prospect that Mossad might have done it is not considered. Yet, New Zealand later broke off diplomatic relations with Israel over Mossad using its passports. And the Dubai assassination shows Mossad's track record.Of the four ALIVE hijackers the Telegraph interviewed, one, Saeed Al-Ghamdi, is a Saudi Airlines pilot - ALIVE. He was named as a terrorist on the United Airlines flight that crashed in Pennsylvania. The FBI published his personal details but with a photograph of somebody else - possibly someone who impersonated him at a Florida flight school.Another, Abdulaziz Al-Omari, is an engineer from Riyadh - ALIVE. Mr Al-Omari was listed as one of the hijackers of the American Airlines plane that crashed into the the WTC north tower. He said, "I have no idea how to fly a plane."And another, Salem Al-Hamzi, said, "I have never been to the United States".If these "hijackers" are alive, who attended the Florida flying schools, impersonating them?Item 4 reports that TV stations are increasingly ready to run documentaries arguing/showing that 9/11 was an Inside Job. About 20 such cases are described here, yet NOT ONE mentions Mossad. This does not imply that these documentaries are worthless. It is better to get the public wondering about US government first, then progressing onto the even more taboo topic second. But information about the latter is NEVER presented on public TV stations.It is hard to believe that Bush & Cheney were not complicit in some way. But that does not mean that they were the brains behind the plot. The point to remember is: Mossad knows what THEY are up to, but they don't know what Mossad's doing.US intelligence agencies are not monolithic. Elements of the CIA, NSA, FBI and Police seem to have provided information on Mossad involvement in 9/11 to the makers of the documentary 9/11 Missing Links (item 4).On the other hand, Mossad would have some Sayanin in those bodies, apart from those who been duped. So the intelligence agencies are themselves split.If "Inside Job" documentaries reach a wider audience, the Pentagon and the Intelligence Agencies might find that THEY are assumed to be the Plotters. Mossad - if guilty as I believe - would do all it could to keep the spotlight on them, not it. In self-defence, those agencies might spill the beans and tell all they know.(4) Mossad did 911 - Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at US Army War CollegeBetrayal and Deceit: The Road to 9/11 and Beyond10. Sep, 2009By: Alan Sabrosky*[...] A significant development in the 1990s was the formation of the neo-conservative think tank known as PNAC (Project for a New American Century), whose members prepared position papers for the Israeli government and for a future US Administration sharing their views. That happened in 2000 with the election of George W. Bush, and a contemporary writer summarized the tip of the neo-conservative iceberg in his first Administration this way:The "outsiders" from PNAC were now powerful "insiders," placed in important positions from which they could exert maximum pressure on U.S. policy [...]Far more significant in terms of subsequent events was the acknowledgement in one of PNAC's own documents that their program for America (and Israel) would not readily be accepted by the American people. What this meant, PNAC opined in 2000, was that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor." ...On September 11, 2001, the PNAC people in and out of government - and by extension AIPAC and Israel - "coincidentally" got the event they needed, barely eight months after coming into office. [...]Even more unbelievable is the "coincidental" salvage of an intact passport presumably belonging to one of the hijackers inside the plane that hit WTC2 - and this was how the official 9/11 Commission report described it:The passport was recovered by NYPD Detective Yuk H. Chin from a male passerby in a business suit, about 30 years old. The passerby left before being identified, while debris was falling from WTC 2. The tower collapsed shortly afterwards. The detective then gave the passport to the FBI on 9/11.ReflectionsSeveral things are very clear to me from a careful assessment of both official and critical evaluations of the 9/11 attacks. First, the striking aircraft alone simply could not have brought down either of the two buildings in the manner in which they fell, much less a third building which was not hit by a plane (I expect the one intended to do that as a "cover" had ended up in that Pennsylvania field), given the available physical evidence and a wealth of expert testimony. This means the attackers had assistance on the ground, and it had to have been active before the attacks occurred: preparing buildings for controlled demolition is not something done haphazardly in the midst of chaos.Second, only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel's Mossad. Only one had the incentive, using the "who benefits" principle: Mossad. And that incentive dovetailed perfectly with the neo-con's agenda and explicitly expressed need for a catalytic event to mobilize the American public for their wars, using American military power to destroy Israel's enemies. [...]Finally, we need to take a hard look at why the mainstream media (MSM) have paid more attention to Sarah Palin's wardrobe than they have to dissecting blatant falsehoods, discrepancies and inconsistencies in the US Government's treatment of 9/11 and its aftermath. And the reason is that on this issue, all are on the same side, and the official line is the one they all prefer - "all" meaning the PNAC alumni who took over the Bush Administration's national security apparatus and their counterparts in the Obama administration, AIPAC and the rest of the numerous Jewish PACs, the MSM owners and Israel. The depiction of the media management in America in 2002 is especially informative, and has not changed significantly since then:CEOs and Directors of companies change as often as Boards of Directors vote. But if we could "freeze frame" the CEOs of the largest US Media companies in mid 2002, we would find that ten Jewish American men ran the vast majority of US television networks and other media companies including movies, radio, and publishing at that time. Not much has changed today.{see the graphic detailing Jewish media ownership at }(5) Sabrosky: 19 named Arabs on 4 planes "at best incomplete, and at worst a complete fabrication"Demystifying 9/11: Israel and the Tactics of Mistake, by Dr. Alan Sabrosky 9/11: Israel and the Tactics of Mistakeby Dr. Alan SabroskyTuesday, June 28th, 2011[...] I am also absolutely certain as a strategic analyst that 9/11 itself, from which all else flows, was a classic Mossad-orchestrated operation. But Mossad did not do it alone. They needed local help within America (and perhaps elsewhere) and they had it, principally from some alumni of PNAC (the misnamed Project for a New American Century) and their affiliates within and outside of the US Government (USG), who in the 9/11 attacks got the "catalytic event" they needed and craved to take the US to war on Israel's behalf, only eight months after coming into office. [...]Second only to the actual controlled demolition of WTC-7, and supplementing the thesis that with or without impacting aircraft the buildings were brought down by other means, is extensive extensive audio-visual evidence on 9/11 while the Twin Towers were still standing from what became "Ground Zero." This evidence includes real-time clips of secondary explosions at ground level in both WTC-1 and WTC-2 (you can hear the detonations and see smoke and debris billowing out), reports on many networks of those explosions and of strange vans inside and around those buildings prior to the secondary explosions, reports from EMTs (Emergency Medical Technicians) of the same thing and of people inside and around the lobbies of those buildings who were not emergency personal and were not fleeing the disaster – all of this on 9/11 and widely reported as it happened that same day. And a third element, building on the above and adding its own dimension, is the presence of a number of (mostly white) vans owned – as far as can be determined, given the extent to which information on them and the people with them has disappeared from the public record – by an Israeli company (or rather a company owned by an Israeli, to be precise) in New Jersey. Some of these vans were regularly around the World Trade Center itself. But two stand out, and need to be examined in some detail for their significance to be appreciated.First, Bergen, NJ residents saw five people on a white van filming the attacks and visibly celebrating. They had set up their cameras before the first plane hit. Police arrested them. All were Israelis (now referred to as the "dancing Israelis"). Bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives, although officers were unable to find anything. The FBI seized the van for further testing. All five were later released at the instigation of Israeli & American Jewish leaders, some in the US Government. Details are still classified. This incident quickly disappeared from the mainstream media, following a brief mention in the New York Times three days after the attacks, that was not followed up.A second van was stopped on the approaches to the George Washington Bridge. As CBS's Dan Rather said in his live report: "Two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives were discovered around the George Washington Bridge. That bridge links New York to New Jersey over the Hudson River. Whether the discovery of those explosives had anything to do with other events today is unclear, but the FBI, has two suspects in hand, said the truckload of explosives, enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge." Those suspects – also Israelis - and the incident then seem to have disappeared from the public record and mainstream media "examinations" <sic.> of 9/11, just like discussions of the first van, the secondary explosions at ground level within WTC-1 and WTC-2, and the precipitous collapse into its own footprint of WTC-7.The combined impact of these and many other factors is both chilling and compelling. Think of it: Secondary explosions at ground level where there should be no secondary explosions. The catastrophic collapse of the 47-story WTC-7 into its own footprint in seconds, without any significant external trauma, where by rights there should have been no collapse. Vans with targeting maps, explosives or traces thereof, cameras pre-positioned to film the World Trade Center, and especially Israelis with those vans where there should have been no Israelis present with any of those things in those places at that time.Any of these matters ought to have been sufficient to stimulate a searching re-examination of the official USG interpretation of 9/11, and especially of the actual or putative role of Al-Qaeda in it. The vans alone pointed away from Al-Qaeda, unless one assumed that Al-Qaeda was an Israeli front, or that Mossad at a minimum had run a parallel and more murderous operation to whatever Al-Qaeda may have done. What is fascinating is how little impact it has had on public awareness of the details of 9/11, much less official US policy based on it. A "cloak of silence" had descended over any official or mainstream media discussions of 9/11 that did not conform to the official interpretation, thereby keeping such dissonance from the general public.The Cloak of Silence Over 9/11There have been three elements to the "cloak of silence" covering efforts to expose the failings of the official US position on 9/11 to the public. One is within the Executive Branch. Another is within the Congress. And the third is the mainstream media (MSM).The first is not at all surprising, as so many of its key members (and especially its so-called "neo-conservatives") were the authors of the "19 named Arabs in 4 planes" thesis, and its de facto apologists on the professional staff of the 9/11 Commission. Indeed, many of them had a vested personal and professional interest in maintaining the validity of the official position.[...] Israel ... is the one state with a positive incentive, if it believed it could get away with it, which is to enrage the American public against Muslims generally and Arabs in particular, and to make the US an active belligerent in the region – spending American lives and treasure in the service of Israel's interests.Expertise is different and more diffuse. There are many intelligence and special operations forces in the world with the expertise to wire large urban structures for a controlled demolition. There are many combat engineer units in many countries that could do the same thing. And there are many private firms that specialize in them as well. Yet neither Al-Qaeda as an organization, nor any of its known affiliates – much less the 19 named Arabs supposedly on those four planes – possessed that expertise, or anything even remotely close to it; had they done so, the Green Zone in Baghdad would have been a pile of rubble.But it is local support that is the crucial determinant. All well-crafted covert operations require some measure of local support, official or unofficial, unless the target area is so irredeemably hostile that none is available. Any domestic or foreign intelligence agency targeting the WTC would absolutely have required it, and Mossad would be better placed than any other to access such support for entry, access, execution and escape.This is especially true, given the security company overseeing the WTC. CIA and/or Defense Department personnel (which is not the same as the CIA or the Defense Department as organizations) could have had access, but only if that had Israeli endorsement – one does not casually cut open walls, implant explosives, run cables and wire everything together in buildings with state-of-the-art electronic surveillance and 24/7 on-site security. Mossad would have no such need for those niceties, given the ownership of the WTC and the management of the company overseeing its security. Remember that we are not talking about large numbers of people in any case: given time to prepare the three buildings and protection from detection, as few as a dozen could have sufficed, a number small enough to be effectively unnoticed in a large organization.Retrospect and ProspectSo let us recapitulate the basic conclusions of this analysis. First, the core official US Government position on 9/11 is that any and all aspects of it are directly attributable to 19 named Arabs on 4 planes, conducting a terrorist operation planned and executed by Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda. This position is at best incomplete, and at worst a complete fabrication engineered by those directly or indirectly responsible for what happened on 9/11, and the wars afterward.[...] Al-Qaeda – and perhaps other groups as well – had the theoretical capability to carry out a simultaneous four-plane hijacking, perhaps flying the aircraft to Cuba (the four 9/11 aircraft should have been able to make a one-way flight there at the beginning of their operational day without difficulty, depending on their actual loads), which would have been spectacular in itself. But neither Al-Qaeda nor any of their affiliates had the expertise and local support necessary to allow them the needed access to any of the buildings at the World Trade Center, to cut open the walls and wire them for controlled demolition, and then to escape and evade afterward.[...] Given the pervasiveness of Zionist influence in the US government and its intelligence and security agencies (including of course the Defense Department), two broad scenarios are possible. One is that the neo-cons and their cohorts were in the driver's seat with Israel in the passenger seat with a map and the baggage. The second sees Israel driving with the neo-cons and others handling the map and baggage. But they were both in the same car on the road to and from 9/11. Both were embedded in aspects of the planning and execution of the catastrophe, the wars it spawned and the wars its architects now want us to wage in Israel's name, linking treason and treachery in tandem no matter where the emphasis is placed.(6) Seven of the nineteen "hijackers" were alive and well after 911 - they were victims of identity theft911 Hijackers' Stolen IdentitiesSTRANGER THAN FICTION AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF 9-11 AND THE WAR ON TERRORISM Anonymous ...Hours after the 9-11 attacks, authorities began to find clues conveniently left for them to stumble upon. The Boston Globe reported that a copy of the Koran, instructions on how to fly a commercial airplane and a fuel consumption calculator were found in a pair of bags meant for one of the hijacked flights that left from Logan. 64Authorities also received a "tip" about a suspicious white car left behind at Boston's Logan Airport. An Arabic-language flight training manual was found inside the car. 65How fortunate for investigators that the hijackers "forgot" to take their Koran and Arab flight manuals with them! Within a few days, all "19 hijackers" were "identified" and their faces were plastered all over our television screens.Then, like a script from a corny "B" spy movie, the official story gets even more ridiculous. The passport of the supposed "ringleader" Mohammed Atta, somehow managed to survive the explosion, inferno, and smoldering collapse to be oh-so-conveniently "found" just a few blocks away from the World Trade Center! 66It is obvious that this "evidence" was planted by individuals wishing to direct the blame towards Osama Bin Laden. How is it possible that Arab students who had never flown an airplane could take a simulator course and then fly jumbo jets with the skill and precision of "top-gun" pilots? It is not possible and the fact is, the true identities of the 9-11 hijackers remains a mystery. In the days following the disclosure of the "hijackers" names and faces, no less than 7 of the Arab individuals named came forward to protest their obvious innocence. 67That's right! Seven of the nineteen "hijackers" are alive and well. They were victims of identity theft, some of whom had had their passports stolen. They were interviewed by several news organizations including the Telegraph of England. [...]What kind of a corrupt character is FBI boss Mueller? He initially admitted that false identities were involved with 9-11, but then he allows the media to keep naming these innocent, and alive, Arabs as the hijackers? Why doesn't he correct them? More on the slimy Mr. Mueller later on!Now I'm really going to rock your faith in the false religion of 9-11. In February of 2000, Indian intelligence officials detained 11 members of what they thought was an Al Qaeda hijacking conspiracy. It was then discovered that these 11 "Muslim preachers" were all Israeli nationals! India's leading weekly magazine, The Week, reported:On January 12 Indian intelligence officials in Calcutta detained 11 foreign nationals for interrogation before they were to board a Dhaka-bound Bangladesh Biman flight. They were detained on the suspicion of being hijackers. "But we realized that they were tabliqis (Islamic preachers), so we let them go", said an Intelligence official.The eleven had Israeli passports but were believed to be Afghan nationals who had spent a while in Iran. Indian intelligence officials, too, were surprised by the nationality profile of the eleven. "They say that they have been on tabligh (preaching Islam) in India for two months. But they are Israeli nationals from the West Bank," said a Central Intelligence official. He claimed that Tel Aviv "exerted considerable pressure" on Delhi to secure their release. "It appeared that they could be working for a sensitive organization in Israel and were on a mission to Bangladesh," the official said. 72 (emphasis added)What were these 11 Israelis doing trying to impersonate Al Qaeda men? Infiltrating?...perhaps. Framing?...more likely. But the important precedent to understand is this: Israeli agents were once caught red handed impersonating Muslim hijackers! [...]Now about Mohamed Atta, you know, the so-called "ring leader". There are a number of inconsistencies with that story as well. Like some of the 7 hijackers known to be still alive, Atta also had his passport stolen in 1999, 75 (the same passport that miraculously survived the WTC explosion and collapse?) making him an easy mark for an identity theft. Atta was known to all as a shy, timid, and sheltered young man who was uncomfortable with women. 76 The 5 foot 7 inch, 150 pound architecture student was such a "goody two shoes" that some of his university acquaintances in Germany refrained from drinking or cursing in front of him. How this gentle, non-political mamma's boy from a good Egyptian family suddenly transformed himself into the vodka drinking, go-go girl groping terrorist animal described by the media, has to rank as the greatest personality change since another classic work of fiction, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.Atta, or someone using Atta's identity, had enrolled in a Florida flight school in 2001 and then broke off his training, making it a point to tell his instructor he was leaving for Boston. In an October 2001 interview with an ABC affiliate in Florida, flight school president Rudi Dekkers said that his course does not qualify pilots to fly commercial jumbo jets. 77 He also described Atta as "an asshole". 78 Part of the reason for Dekker's dislike for Atta stems from a highly unusual incident that occurred at the beginning of the course. Here's the exchange between ABC producer Quentin McDermott and Dekkers:MCDERMOTT: "Why do you say Atta was an asshole?"DEKKERS: "Well, when Atta was here and I saw his face on several occasions in the building, then I know that they're regular students and then I try to talk to them, it's kind of a PR - where are you from? I tried to communicate with him. I found out from my people that he lived in Hamburg and he spoke German so one of the days that I saw him, I speak German myself, I'm a Dutch citizen, and I started in the morning telling him in German, "Good morning. How are you? How do you like the coffee? Are you happy here?", and he looked at me with cold eyes, didn't react at all and walked away. That was one of my first meetings I had." 79This is eerily similar to the way in which Zacharias Moussaoui (the so-called "20th hijacker") became "belligerent" when his Minnesota flight instructor tried to speak to him in French (his first language), at the beginning of that course. The Minnessota Star Tribune reported on December 21, 2001:"Moussaoui first raised eyebrows when, during a simple introductory exchange, he said he was from France, but then didn't seem to understand when the instructor spoke French to him. Moussaoui then became belligerent and evasive about his background, (Congressman) Oberstar and other sources said. In addition, he seemed inept in basic flying procedure, while seeking expensive training on an advanced commercial jet simulator." 80 (emphasis added)It truly is an amazing twist of fate that both Atta and Moussaoui both had American flight instructors who spoke German and French respectively. Even the great Mossad could not have foreseen such a coincidence! The real Atta would have been able to respond to his instructor's German small talk and the real Moussaoui would have been able to respond to his instructor's French small talk. Atta just walked away and Moussaoui threw a fit! Neither responded because neither could. They were imposters, whose faces were probably disguised by a make up artist. Their mission was to frame the two innocent Arabs who were probably targeted by the Mossad at random.The imposter was able to create a new Atta by using Atta's stolen passport from 1999 - the same passport that floated safely to the ground with a few burnt edges on 9-11. These strange inconsistencies tend to give support to Mohammed Atta's father's claim that he spoke over the phone with his son on September 12th, the day after the attacks. 81 Could a group of professionals have abducted and killed the real Atta in the days following the 9-11 attacks? Mossad agents, posing as "art students" were arrested after conducting some type of operation in Hollywood, Florida, the same small town that Atta stayed in! 82 So what happened to the real Mohammed Atta? To quote his grief stricken father: "Ask Mossad!".So who, if not the "19 Arabs" was on those planes? That's the million dollar question! ...(7) Stolen Identities: Saudi Prince says seven alleged Hijackers are ALIVE (Sept 23 '01)Saudi Prince Says Seven Saudis on FBI List InnocentReuters News Wire: 09/23/2001 12:25 am ETNO LONGER AT ORIGINAL IS PRESERVED in one place only AT (Reuters) - Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef said in remarks published Sunday that seven Saudis named by the FBI as suspects in the attacks on the United States were innocent.The official Saudi Press Agency (SPA) quoted Prince Nayef as telling the U.S. television network CNN in an interview that the United States had not given any confirmation to the kingdom that Saudis had been involved in the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington."As for the names that have been published or provided to us by the FBI, there are seven names of people who did not participate and are present in the kingdom and who are known (to us)," SPA quoted Prince Nayef as saying."There are more than 10 other names, possibly 15, whom we still have no detailed information on, either their four (full) names, pictures, passports or personal identity cards, to be able to verify if they are Saudis or not," he said. [...]Saudi newspapers have published interviews and pictures of at least five of those who appeared on the FBI list since it was released Friday.Many Saudis share the same name, reflecting their common membership of large tribes. But some who share the same name as the suspects were alarmed to see their own faces staring back at them from newspapers and television networks which published photographs and personal details of the alleged perpetrators.Copyright 2001 Reuters News Service. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.(8) Stolen Identities: UK Telegraph interviews four 9/11 Hijackers, ALIVE (Sept 23, '01){The Telegraph assumes that their identities were stolen by Bin Laden. The prospect that Mossad might have done it is not considered. Yet, New Zealand broke off diplomatic relations with Israel over Mossad using its passports. And the Dubai assassination shows Mossad's track record - Peter M}Revealed: the men with stolen identitiesBy David Harrison Published: 12:01AM BST 23 Sep 2001 names were flashed around the world as suicide hijackers who carried out the attacks on America. But yesterday four innocent men told how their identities had been stolen by Osama bin Laden's teams to cover their tracks.The men - all from Saudi Arabia - spoke of their shock at being mistakenly named by the FBI as suicide terrorists. None of the four was in the United States on September 11 and all are alive in their home country.The Telegraph obtained the first interviews with the men since they learnt that they were on the FBI's list of hijackers who died in the crashes in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.All four said that they were "outraged" to be identified as terrorists. One has never been to America and another is a Saudi Airlines pilot who was on a training course in Tunisia at the time of the attacks.Saudi Airlines said it was considering legal action against the FBI for seriously damaging its reputation and that of its pilots. The FBI released the list of 19 suicide terrorists three days after the attacks.The statement said that the 19 "have been identified as hijackers aboard the four airliners". Photographs and personal details were published around the world with an appeal for "information about these individuals, even though they are presumed dead".The Saudi Airlines pilot, Saeed Al-Ghamdi, 25, and Abdulaziz Al-Omari, an engineer from Riyadh, are furious that the hijackers' "personal details" - including name, place, date of birth and occupation - matched their own.Mr Al-Ghamdi was named as a terrorist on the United Airlines flight that crashed in Pennsylvania - a plane said by some experts to have been heading for the White House.He first knew that he was on the FBI's list when he was told by a colleague. Speaking from Tunisia, he said: "I was completely shocked. For the past 10 months I have been based in Tunis with 22 other pilots learning to fly an Airbus 320. The FBI provided no evidence of my presumed involvement in the attacks."You cannot imagine what it is like to be described as a terrorist - and a dead man - when you are innocent and alive." The airline was angry too. Officials brought Mr Al-Ghamdi back to Saudi Arabia last week for a 10-day holiday to avoid arrest or interrogation.An official said: "We are consulting lawyers about what action to take to protect the reputation of our pilots." Mr Al-Ghamdi faced further embarrassment when CNN, the American television network, flashed a photograph of him around the world, naming him as a hijack suspect.The FBI had published his personal details but with a photograph of somebody else, presumably a hijacker who had "stolen" his identity. CNN, however, showed a picture of the real Mr Al-Ghamdi.He said that CNN had probably got the picture from the Flight Safety flying school he attended in Florida. CNN has since broadcast a clarification saying that the photograph may not be that of the accused.Mr Al-Omari, who was accused of hijacking the American Airlines plane that smashed into the the World Trade Centre's north tower, said that he was at his desk at the Saudi telecommunications authority in Riyadh when the attacks took place.He said: "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this."{Question: then who impersonated him at the Flight Safety School? The FBI had his photo}Mr Al-Omari said his passport was stolen when his apartment in Denver, Colorado, was burgled in 1995. He had been studying engineering at Denver University since 1993. He was given a new passport in Riyadh on December 31, 1995 and returned to America to resume his studies in January 1996. After graduating last year he returned to Riyadh to join the electricity authority and later moved to the telecommunications authority.The other two men accused of being terrorists are Salem Al-Hamzi and Ahmed Al-Nami. Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon.He said: "I have never been to the United States and have not been out of Saudi Arabia in the past two years." The FBI described him as 21 and said that his possible residences were Fort Lee or Wayne, both in New Jersey.Mr Al-Nami, 33, from Riyadh, an administrative supervisor with Saudi Arabian Airlines, said that he was in Riyadh when the terrorists struck.He said: "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked."He had never lost his passport and found it "very worrying" that his identity appeared to have been "stolen" and published by the FBI without any checks. The FBI had said his "possible residence" was Delray Beach in Florida.Last night the FBI admitted that there was some doubt about the identities of some of the suspects. A spokesman said: "The identification process has been complicated by the fact that many Arabic family names are similar. It is also possible that the hijackers used false identities."The spokesman declined to say whether the FBI would apologise but added: "If we have made mistakes then obviously that would be regrettable but this is a big and complicated investigation."When the list was published Robert Mueller, the FBI director, said that it was "fairly confident" that the names were not aliases.(9) Mossad uses stolen identities of living people, for Assassinations (Australia, New Zealand)Mossad's Murderous Reach: The Larger Political Issuesby James Petras February 22nd, 2010 January 19 Israel's international secret police, the Mossad, sent an eighteen member death squad to Dubai using European passports, supposedly 'stolen' from Israeli dual citizens and altered with fake photos and signatures, in order to assassinate the Palestinian leader, Mahmoud al Mabhouh. ...Israel has a publicly-stated policy of violating the sovereignty of any and all countries in order to kill or abduct its opponents. ...Israel's practice of extra-judicial, extra-territorial assassinations, exemplified by the recent murder of Mahmoud al Mabhouh in a Dubai hotel room, violates all the fundamental precepts of the rule of law. ==Israel Mossad 'factory' churned out fake Australian passportsFriday, 26 February 2010 by Sameh A. Habeeb churned-out-fake-australian-passportsPalestine, Feb. 26, 2010 (Pal Telegraph)- A former Mossad officer has alleged the Israeli spy agency has its own "passport factory" to create or doctor passports for use in intelligence operations. ==New Zealand broke off diplomatic relations with Israel over Mossad use of its passportsThe Mossad hit and Israel's path of self-destruction Hasan Abu Nimah The Electronic Intifada 25 February 2010 years ago, New Zealand, a country of three million people, broke off diplomatic relations with Israel over the use of its passports by Mossad.==Israel waging a covert assassination campaign across the Middle East is accused of waging covert war across the Middle East Sheera Frenkel in Jerusalem The Times (Britain) February 13, 2010Israel is waging a covert assassination campaign across the Middle East in an effort to stop its key enemies co-ordinating their activities.Israeli agents have been targeting meetings between members of Hamas and the leadership of the militant Hezbollah group, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.(10) Mohamed Atta's father says he's still alive, blames Mossad for 9/11This material is from 2001-2; but should be reviewed in the light of the identity theft in the Dubai assassination. Mohamad Atta's father now says that his son has been killed by Mossad, to stop him talking. Atta... Family reactionAtta's father, Mohamed el-Amir Awad el-Sayed Atta, a retired lawyer in Egypt rejected allegations his son was involved in the September 11 attacks and instead accuses Mossad of having a hand in framing his son.[28] Atta Sr. rejected media reports his son was drinking wildly, and instead described his son as a quiet boy uninvolved in politics, shy and devoted to studying architecture.[89] The elder Mr. Atta also claims to have spoken with Mohamed by phone two days after the air crashes of the September 11th. He held interviews with the German news magazine Bild am Sonntag in late 2002 claiming his son is alive, and in hiding. Critics [which critics?] have suggested Mr. Atta fabricated his claims of speaking with his son after September 11, 2001 and saying his son is alive, in denial of his son's role in the 9/11 attacks.[90][Reference does not support statement][edit]Notes 28.^ a b Lappin, Elena (2002-08-29). "Portrait: Atta in Hamburg" . Prospect. Retrieved 2008-09-16. 90.^ Connolly, Kate (2002-09-02). "Father insists alleged leader of attack on WTC is still alive" . The Guardian. Retrieved 2008-09-16. ...This page was last modified on 26 March 2010 at 17:16. ==Father insists alleged leader is still aliveKate Connolly in BerlinThe Guardian, Monday 2 September 2002 01.28 BST father of Mohammed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the September 11 attacks, said in an interview published yesterday that his son was still alive."He is hiding in a secret place so as not to be murdered by the US secret services," Mohammed el-Amir Atta, 66, told the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag. He also vehemently denied that his son - believed to have flown the first plane into the World Trade Centre - had taken part in the atrocities, blaming them instead on "American Christians".The interview painted a picture of a tortured man who has not come to terms with his 33-year-old son's death or with the huge crime laid at his door. He said he feared the US would try to poison him.Speaking from his Cairo home, Mr Atta described hearing about the attacks after returning from a holiday on the Red Sea on the evening of September 12. "My daughter called and said she was going to drop in. She stood at the door and said 'turn on the TV'," he said. Amid images of the jets crashing into the Twin Towers, he saw his son's passport photograph."As I saw the picture of my son," he said, "I knew that he hadn't done it. My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12 at around midday. We spoke for two minutes about this and that."He didn't tell me where he was calling from. At that time neither of us knew anything about the attacks."Mr Atta said he did not condone the attacks, but could understand the hijackers' motivation. "Every day our Palestinian brothers are being murdered, their houses destroyed. If their relatives were to fly a plane into the Empire State Building I couldn't hold it against them," he added.Mr Atta called his son a "gentle and tender boy", who enjoyed reading history and geography books and was nicknamed "Bolbol", or nightingale, by his parents. ==Atta in HamburgELENA LAPPINProspect Magazine 20th September 2002 - Issue 78 is a man with a grudge. In interviews with foreign journalists - to whom he serves alcohol-free beer - he rants about America, without answering or listening to questions. He accuses the Mossad of being responsible for 11th September, and of framing his son, from whom he claims to have received a phone call, "checking in," 24 and 48 hours after the attacks. ==(11) Atta's girlfriend: he loved pork chops, was already a licensed pilot, could speak Hebrew, had been in "some kind of militia"Mohammad Atta's girlfriend Amanda Keller interviewed by Daniel Hopsiker , author of Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta the 9-11 Cover-up in Florida (video):: Atta loved pork chops, and 49 other things you may not know about the 9/11 Florida connection.{visit the webpage to access the links} just finished Daniel Hopsicker's Welcome to Terrorland. He exposes the cover story of the Florida flight schools, and the ongoing cover-up. ... And FYI, here are some notes I kept while reading the book:1. In Venice Florida, Mohamed Atta lived for two months with an American stripper/lingerie model named Amanda Keller.2. Atta loved to party. He was out with Keller nearly every night they were together. He was a heavy drinker, snorted coke, was a stylish dresser and wore expensive jewelry.3. According to Keller, Atta loved pork chops.4. Keller dumped him after he embarrassed her at a night club by dancing, poorly, atop a speaker ("doing that old 'Roxbury head bob' thing, you know"?)5. Atta revenged himself later on Keller by returning to the apartment they'd shared and killing her cat and kittens, disemboweling and dismembering them in her apartment for her to find.6. In Miami, Atta consorted with women known to be linked to the Mafia.7. Atta's email list included names of people who worked for defense contractors. One, for instance, worked for Canadian firm Virtual Prototypes, which helped develop the avionics for F-15, F-22 and B-2.8. Atta was enrolled as a student at the International Officer's School of Maxwell Airforce Base, and witnesses recall him having been introduced around at an officers' club party.9. Atta was fluent in at least Arabic, English, German, French and Hebrew.10. One day when Atta was rummaging through his flight bag, Keller got a look inside. Her words:"The thing the FBI was most interested in was his pilot bag. They asked about it a lot. He kept it locked, and they wanted to know whether I had ever seen anything in it. I told them yes. One day he opened it briefly, and there were a lot of papers in it, and there was a blue log book in a different language. Mohamed was fluent in almost any language you can think of. He had a kind of Daytimer in there, too. And a folder with all these different ID's in it. And that's when I saw one - because it fell out - a little blue and white thing the size of a driver's license. It had his picture on it, and it looked like a mug shot, or a prison shot. And it didn't look like him, and I asked him, 'Who is this?'"And he said, 'that's me.' He told me it had been taken back when he was in some kind of militia-type deal, like a military-type deal, he said. He compared it to our military only they teach you different tactics. He didn't elaborate."He didn't say where it was from, either. But the writing looked like a cross between Hebrew and Arabic, those frilly little lines. He told me he spoke Hebrew. I said bullshit. So he started speaking it, and I guess he did."He told me that he went to different countries and studied. He had pilot's license from several different countries. But all the pictures looked different. All the names were different. He had a license to fly from just about every country he had been to. He went to pilot's school in all these countries."11. Atta, Keller, a stripper named Linda and two Germans, Peter and Johan, partied for three days in Key West. Atta paid for everything. Rented three rooms, one just for the men's luggage, which Keller says contained drugs. The men had a business meeting the women were not permitted to attend. Met with people, Keller says, who flew in just to meet Atta. Somber and quiet after meeting. (Key West Airport a known drug transit point. The Sheriff used to be under orders to keep the dope sniffing dogs off airplanes, and at one time even sent patrol cars to escort the drugs to Miami.) [...](12) Hijackers' last letter, found in baggage, shows ignorance of Islam - Robert FiskWhat Muslim Would Write: 'The Time of Fun and Waste is Gone'?by Robert FiskPublished on September 29, 2001 in the Independent/UK, chilling, grotesque- but also very, very odd. If the handwritten, five-page document which the FBI says it found in the baggage of Mohamed Atta, the suicide bomber from Egypt, is genuine, then the men who murdered more than 7,000 innocent people believed in a very exclusive version of Islam - or were surprisingly unfamiliar with their religion."The time of Fun and waste is gone," Atta, or one of his associates, is reported to have written in the note. "Be optimistic ... Check all your items - your bag, your clothes, your knives, your will, your IDs, your passport ... In the morning, try to pray the morning prayer with an open heart."Part theological, part mission statement, the document - extracts from which were published in The Washington Post yesterday - raises more questions than it answers.Under the heading of "Last Night" - presumably the night of 10 September - the writer tells his fellow hijackers to "remind yourself that in this night you will face many challenges. But you have to face them and understand it 100 per cent ... Obey God, his messenger, and don't fight among yourself [sic] where [sic] you become weak ... Everybody hates death, fears death ..."The document begins with the words: "In the name of God, the most merciful, the most compassionate ... In the name of God, of myself, and of my family."The problem is that no Muslim - however ill-taught - would include his family in such a prayer. Indeed, he would mention the Prophet Mohamed immediately after he mentioned God in the first line. Lebanese and Palestinian suicide bombers have never been known to refer to "the time of fun and waste" - because a true Muslim would not have "wasted" his time and would regard pleasure as a reward of the after-life.And what Muslim would urge his fellow believers to recite the morning prayer - and then go on to quote from it? A devout Muslim would not need to be reminded of his duty to say the first of the five prayers of the day - and would certainly not need to be reminded of the text. It is as if a Christian, urging his followers to recite the Lord's Prayer, felt it necessary to read the whole prayer in case they didn't remember it. ...(13) 911 No Planes Debate - from David West -1Subject: Re: 911 Mossad ran Arab hijacker cells - WIKILEAKS/ MadsenFrom: David West <>I am sure you know already Peter that there were "no planes/" involved in the 9/11 incident.See the sentence here that got my goat more than any other was "eventually culminate in their being on board four regularly-scheduled flights originating in Boston, Washington Dulles, and Newark, New Jersey on 9/11."When Gerard Holmgren researched details of the four planes said to be involved, he discovered from the government's own BTS statistics that two of them never took off, but additionally that one of them wasn't even scheduled that day.Apparently 11th September was the day that one timetable ended, and a new one started, with one of the named Sunday flights not included in the new schedule.So we can see that either this report from Wayne Madsen is not properly researched, or more likely, that the secret services pass fake information to each other. I believe a copy of the data as shown on the original BTS website is available from <> Serendipity.Of course the 9/11 perpetrators changed the data as soon as this knowledge became public, but I did see it myself before it was changed, so I am aware of these facts.(14) 911 No Planes Debate - from David West -2Subject: Re: 911 Mossad ran Arab hijacker cells - WIKILEAKS/ MadsenFrom: David West <> > Which two never took off?The two unscheduled flights were AA11 which purportedly hit the North tower and AA77 which purportedly hit the Pentagon.Understanding that no planes were involved solves the major unanswered mysteries -Why the airforce didn't intercept these planeswhy was no plane wreckage or black boxes ever foundwhy were there no Arabs on any of the flight lists (none of which were issued by the airlines)This also helps enormously to work out which stories are true and which were fake.For example Pilotsfor911 is a fake organisation. I wrote to them many times, with no reply, for obvious reasons.If you need to get up to speed with the real facts, at least read the interview below, and maybe see the full details on my website ask John Lear of Lear jets what he thinks.(15) 911 No Planes Debate - reply to David WestI've read what John Lear says.But I also did a Skype call with Field McConnell, a former US airforce pilot (flew F4s & F16s) and former airline captain (747-400).The pilot of American 77, which supposedly hit the Pentagon, was a friend of his.In fact, a missile hit the Pentagon.McConnell says that AA77 was switched and, he says, detonated over the Atlantic Ocean.Certainly he believes that it took off; his friend the pilot disappeared that day.This sort of "decoy plane" was first advocated in Operation Northwoods, in 1961.