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Tiananmen 1989 follow-up, from Peter Myers

This newsletter, and the previous one, are at Steve Jolly's claim of 'bayonet through the chest' is not credible - Israel Shamir(2) Israel Shamir is far from the mark - David West (taught in China for seven years)(3) Tiananmen 1989 WAS a Colour Revolution; so was Paris 1989 - Leo Schmit(4) The concept 'Spring' originated from the 'Prague Spring', which was another Çolour Revolution' - Leo Schmit(5) Media never use the term "pro-democracy" to describe pro-democracy advocates in USA, UK, or France - JW Gibson(6) BBC reporter Kate Adie live video coverage of 1989 Beijing massacre(7) Video: BBC video footage of Tiananmen 1989 from Kate Adie "I Was There"(8) Tiananmen in 1989 heralded the restoration of capitalism in China - Henry C K Liu(9) 'L', an American in China, says 'Nothing happened in Tiananmen Square'(1) Steve Jolly's claim of 'bayonet through the chest' is not credible - Israel ShamirFrom: Israel Shamir <>Peter,Do you believe a report containing the following lines? "I saw a three-year old with a bayonet through the chest. I saw a pregnant woman, who had been bayoneted to death in the stomach, and the embryonic baby was lying on the ground beside her. It was absolutely barbaric what they were doing."Sorry, old friend; this bayonet thing had been used too many times by too many propagandists to have any effect. Without bayonets, I could believe he was there. Now I do not believe a single word of it.(2) Israel Shamir is far from the mark - David West (taught in China for seven years)From: David West <>Dear Peter,I feel that Israel Shamir's opinion of China is far from the mark. Did he not see the BBC coverage of Tianemen Square before it was closed down? Why does he not mention the persecution of the Falun Gung, which for sure is real. I have a student who had to escape China for fear of death. Does he not understand what happens to people who openly oppose The Party?When teaching in China, for seven years, we were not allowed to discuss the three 'T's Tibet, Tianamen Square and Taiwan.Mr Shamir's comments are totally different from the view I gained. How much time has he spent there?Kind regardsDavid(3) Tiananmen 1989 WAS a Colour Revolution; so was Paris 1989 - Leo SchmitFrom: leo schmit <>Peter,You write: ‘But whereas the recent protests in Hong Kong are a Western-orchestrated Colour Revolution (see items 3 to 7), Tiananmen 1989 was mainly home-grown. Protestors had listened to Voice of America, and probably Radio Free Asia, but at that stage the strategy of running a Colour Revolution had not been worked out.’Then you mention Steve Jolly, who actually tried to add a ‘Trotskist’ flavor to the protests (i.e. overthrow – government). There was also Dr Tony Saich, sinologist (Jew) from Leiden University, hanging out of the windows of his hotel spurring on these naive activists. No doubt the Company and the NED worked behind the screen.I consider Paris 1968 already a 'Colour Revolution' (avant la lettre), where Troskist Cohn-Bendit worked to remove De Gaulle from power. The colour was ‘Red’ at that time…< In an interview with the Observer, Cohn-Bendit, now a friend and adviser to President Emmanuel Macron, said: "This movement is very different to May 68. Back then, we wanted to get rid of a general (Charles de Gaulle); today these people want to put a general in power," he said, referring to calls by certain gilets jaunes for the former chief of defence staff General Pierre de Villiers, <> who resigned after falling out with Macron in July 2017, to be made prime minister.>Note that the same guy is now the enemy of the Yellow Vests and works for a Rothschild banker.Leo(4) The concept 'Spring' originated from the 'Prague Spring', which was another Çolour Revolution' - Leo SchmitFrom: leo schmit <>Peter,Correction: Tony Saich (currently Harvard). In a 1989 publication he even (introd)used the concept 'Spring' for the Tienanmen protests:74) Saich, Tony. "Harsh End to China’s Spring." The Journal of Communist Studies 5.4 (December 1989): 184-188.See concept 'Spring' originated from the socalled 'Prague Spring', which was another Çolour Revolution' (avant la lettre)Leo(5) Media never use the term "pro-democracy" to describe pro-democracy advocates in USA, UK, or France - John Wheat GibsonFrom: "'John Wheat Gibson, Sr.' [shamireaders]" <>Funny how the oligarchy's totally controlled corporate media never use the term "pro-democracy" to describe pro-democracy advocates in the United States, Great Britain, or France.  "Free press," indeed.(6) BBC reporter Kate Adie live video coverage of 1989 Beijing massacre legend Kate Adie was hit by Chinese bullet in Beijing massacre – but kept quietVETERAN news reporter Kate Adie was grazed by a bullet as she ran through Tiananmen Square at the height of the protests in 1989.By JUSTIN STONEMAN AND LUCY JOHNSTON, EXCLUSIVEPUBLISHED: 10:24, Sun, May 27, 2018 | UPDATED: 11:20, Sun, May 27, 2018In a powerful documentary to be screened exactly 29 years after the Chinese massacre, the Bafta-winning reporter, 72, reveals how she narrowly escaped being shot as the army fired on thousands of demonstrating students.Ms Adie and her cameraman describe how, on June 4, 1989, they ran from the violence with their news cassettes as gathering crowds chanted, "Tell the world, tell the world".They were among the first to report on the true horror of the unfolding tragedy in Beijing.Ms Adie's evidence made for one of the most important and distressing reports ever filed during her years as the BBC's chief news correspondent.During one volley of gunfire, Ms Adie was injured by a bullet which shaved the skin off her arm.She recalled: "There was a volley of shots and a man cannoned into me. I fell straight over him as he went down."When I got up, I had blood all over (my lower arm) and I realised that he was shot and the bullet had gone past me... and as I lay on the ground there were others on the ground around me and they'd been hit."At one point, Ms Adie ran straight through the military operation to get to her BBC base and was forced to attack three Chinese oppressors who had been sent to stop the democratic protest.She said: "I just ran and I ran and I ran and I ran. I absolutely tore through these crowds, being bashed by people, bumping into them, avoiding people, going over dead people."I finally made it to the big high wall of the hotel and found the gates - huge great gates - locked. So I went up the wall like a lizard it took all the skin off [my hands and arms]."I could see there were figures there, they were either police or soldiers."I kicked one, I whacked another with my elbow and my arm, I then finally hit one with the cassette. I was out of my wits."Speaking about the atrocities she witnessed, Ms Adie said: "I could see soldiers on the lorries, firing. I turned to the cameraman and said, 'We've probably gone past the point where it's too dangerous to stay'.And he said, 'Yeah, but we're staying, aren't we?' I said, 'Yes'."We turned up at what turned out to be a children's hospital.It looked like a scene from a bad movie, the floor running with blood.If someone died, they just slung the body on the floor and got someone else on the table."I'd been conscious we'd seen no other western TV crews. I knew that the Chinese would deny what was happening... that's why we stayed out."I felt driven, more than on any other occasion, to tell people exactly what happened. It wasn't just dangerous, it was desperate."The brutal protest, which resulted in as many as 10,000 deaths, was later described as the greatest challenge to the communist state in China since the 1949 revolution.Ms Adie said: "How could the soldiers of a disciplined army slaughter hundreds of their unarmed fellow citizens?"Why did the protesters remain, in the face of such savagery? How could they just stand there?"Every schoolchild is taught that the army loves the people. They just could not get their heads around the fact that the army was shooting at them."(7) Video: BBC video footage of Tiananmen 1989 from Kate Adie "I Was There"BBC Report from Kate Adie "I Was There" was screened on BBC4 at 10pm on Monday, June 4.Watch it at Tiananmen in 1989 heralded the restoration of capitalism in China - Henry C K Liu longer at 4: China steady on the pegBy Henry C K LiuDec 1, 2004The Tiananmen tragedyThe tragedy of Tiananmen in 1989 is that it sounded the death knell of socialist revolution and heralded the restoration of capitalism in China. Tiananmen began as a backlash grassroots political reaction to wholesale official rejection of socialist principles and ideology. The students at the beginning of the Tiananmen incident protested against the ill effects of the introduction of market fundamentalism in the Chinese economy. They wanted to preserve full government financial support for education, particularly generous socialist benefits for students, and protested against high unemployment, income inequality and widespread corruption associated with the move toward market economy.Such demands at first received sympathetic hearings from the top leadership. Alas, wholesome student sentiments were quickly manipulated to turn intransigent by the US media at the scene to cover the state visit of president Mikhail Gorbachev of the USSR in its final stage of implosion, taking on the form of counter-revolutionary demands for political liberalization toward bourgeois democracy. While the students were actually demanding more government protection from the erosion of socialist rights and privileges gained for them by their heroic parents, the Western media distorted the student protests as demands for free markets and bourgeois democracy. Naive protesters were selectively featured by the US media on global television to recite Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address in broken English, never mind that the speakers obviously had no understanding of US history and politics, let alone the statist and interventionist context of Lincoln's inspiring words.The leadership in the Communist Party of China (CPC) at that historical moment was divided. While some remained sympathetic to a student movement to preserve socialism, others found it imperative to decisively crush a manipulated political revolt against a socialist government. In a fateful turn of tactics in the aftermath of the resultant tragic violence, the CPC leadership decided to preserve political control through further market liberalization, thus forfeiting its equalitarian socialist mandate in favor of authoritative institutional economics based on administrative intervention on free markets. ...(9) 'L', an American in China, says 'Nothing happened in Tiananmen Square' From 'L' Date: 9 December 2013 21:21 :In case you don't know, the reason the truth began coming out, is that Wikileaks leaked all the cables sent from the US Embassy in Beijing to Washington that day and night, with minute by minute reports of how nothing happened, how there were no deaths, and how the entire affair ended peacefully.And after that, Miles from the Economist admitted that "we sort of got the story right, but some of the details wrong" - the "details" being the part about the so-called massacre and the student deaths.Then Jay Matthews from the Washington Post and a bunch of others came forward to tell their stories which were all the same. Nothing happened in Tiananmen Square, that the Chinese government had been telling the truth all along.That article you sent me, made my angry as hell. I've seen dozens of those, all by people who were never there, in some cases never been to China, but were just writing propaganda pieces for the CIA and NED. You may have noticed the supposed student comments about how they were receiving a lot of money from outside the country. That part is sure true. The student movement may have been spontaneous at the start, but it was quickly hijacked by the CIA, and managed by Robert Helvey who now works with Gene Sharp in the Einstein Institute and whose claim to fame is the destruction of Jugoslavia with his Otpor manuals for government destabilisation. I have them on my website. Helvey had at the time just returned from doing in Indonesia what he was trying to do in China, working out of Hong Kong.In any case, a significant number of prominent Western journalists have now come out of the closet to tell the world they were there at the time and that the student protest ended peacefully.